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   [Date]: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:27:46 +1100
   [From]: "Dianne d'Alpoim Guedes" <guedes@thehub.com.au>
     [To]: Cultural Exchange via Internet <forum1@herz.kbx.de>
[Subject]: Re: [forum1] Macdonalds and Vatican same thing

Dear Juan

It should be apparent that the "insane" reference was to the transition you
mentioned in your message and not to you. However, if you want to take it
personally, its your choice.


As for "the Church", I am willing to concede that you should know far more
of its machinations than I do. But I did not mention "the Church" or "the
Vatican", I mentioned Christianity,........a slightly broader concept and i=
n
its aims different to Macdonalds' aims. Unless you are equating hamburgers
with souls, of course.

I would like to wish you a delicious New Millennium and may it continue to
be full of smoke and mirrors.  As you know, really good questions are bette=
r
than any answers.

Dianne






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>From: Juan JosŽ D’az Infante" <jdiazinfante@altamiracave.com>
>Subject: [forum1] Macdonalds and Vatican same thing
>Date: Thu, Dec 23, 1999

> Dianne
>
> Thank you for calling me insane.
> If you do not understand the past, it is even harder to understand the
> present, because in such position things happen without reason (gratuito)=
 or
> there is the tendency to rediscover the sixties.
>
> In this statement I do not mean to study all the past, but actually linea=
r
> research on how certain processes came into work. This helps knowing the
> actual mechanisms in play.
>
>>
>>> The Church and Money. We inherited the structure
>>> of the church that later the modern corporation
>>> adopted. Some historians refer this insane transition
>>> to Amsterdam in the XVI Century where the windows
>>> of the church were replaced by the images of
>>> the important bankers.
>>
>> Your "insane transition" here is indeed insane. The structures of the
>> modern corporation (if we have the same concept of structures), are
>> based on systems of barter and trade that have nothing to do with
>> Christianity.
>
> I am assuming that you know little about franchises and reproduction of
> business. The structure of power is exactly the same in a modern corporat=
ion
> than it is in the church.
>
> As far as any company using today=B4s date as 21 of December of 1999, it
> happens to be after Christ. We have inherited a lot of elements and behav=
ior
> from the church that we do not even recognize them.
>
> Juan